5 Responses to The Sheep Eat Red Meat Too.

  1. Dan Adler says:

    So he’s reaching out to Agnostics. Hoping, I suppose, for converts.

    I’m so glad I’m in a religion that doesn’t have dogma. Not at all. No holy books either. Makes things so much simpler, and so much more peaceful.

    • I’m not sure if he’s reaching out to agnostics per se as much as believers who don’t feel compelled to identify with one particular faith. Still, I agree that he’d definitely take people who don’t feel as if they know whether God exists over those who just don’t believe.

      It’s the dogma that is the source of the problem – whether based on religion, nationalism, environmentalism or whatever else. Religion just happened to have a monopoly on it for a good several thousand years until the early to mid 20th century gave us something new to think about. I always get a kick out of people who claim atheism is inherently bad by pointing to a place like North Korea … where they worship their leader just like a god.

      • Dan Adler says:

        The trouble with this is that atheism has a dogma too. It’s not a “religious dogma”, but you might call it an “anti-religious dogma” or a “secular dogma”. Dogma, as you said, isn’t restricted to religion.

        And as for Korea, they’re just following the example of Rome, where each Caesar was supposedly divine. (boy did they get a bunch of unfortunate Gods out of that mess)

        • There are definitely people out there who are, in my opinion, counter-productively vocal and hard-headed about the role of government in religion or vice versa. David Silverman of American Atheists and his stupid goddamned billboards come readily to mind. So yes, any group of people with sufficiently strong opinions on one thing or another can be just as dogmatic as the religious. Now I’m obviously biased, but as a whole I maintain that there is a far looser consensus on any kind of core beliefs within the secular atheist community than you’d find in religion. There is no leader, holy book, field guide, common meeting place, set of ceremonies, or traditions that hold everyone together. I’ve heard the situation described as akin to herding cats, and I tend to agree.

          This is because at the core of secularism – for many people, anyway – is atheism, which is nothing more than a lack of belief and is not inherently dogmatic. It’s just a result of considering the claims made by religion and rejecting them on the basis that they haven’t met their burden of proof. What you believe other than that is up to you … which is great for personal freedom but kind of inconvenient when you need regular consensus.

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